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- There's not enough feeling and emotion in what Jacque says. That's true, there isn't.

- There's not enough feeling and emotion in what Jacque says or something. That's true, there isn't.

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But if you're emotionally attached to something, it means you're subjective.

If you're emotionally attached to something, it means you're subjective.

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There are people that nail a piece of wood together, then they kiss it, before that they don't kiss it,

There are people that nail pieces of wood together, then they kiss them. Before that, they don't kiss them,

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until you nail it so it looks like a cross, then you kiss it. You know what I mean?

until you nail them so they look like a cross, then you kiss them. You know what I mean?

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So, what was the day before it was a cross?

What was it the day before it was a cross?

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Two pieces of wood, or some copper that wasn't cast in a form of a cross.

Two pieces of wood or some copper that wasn't cast in the form of a cross.

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And a cross is a crucifix which was long before people wore it, it was to crucify people,

And a cross is a crucifix which long before people wore it was to crucify people.

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so it is symbolic, depending on what culture you come from.

It is symbolic, depending on what culture you come from.

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That's why I can't accept anything except the sciences;

That's why I can't accept anything except the sciences.

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the shape of an airplane wing is designed for certain lift.

The shape of an airplane wing is designed for certain lift,

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The shape of the plane is designed for certain conditions.

the shape of the plane is designed for certain conditions.

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So, you can't; when I say you can't exceed your environment,

When I say you can't exceed your environment,

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that means you can't exceed what you've been exposed to.

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You can't; if somebody gave you a brand new microscope,

If somebody gave you a brand new microscope, you can't

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and you said the objective lenses are insufficient, if you're a cannibal, you know what I mean?

say the objective lenses are insufficient, if you're a cannibal. Do you know what I mean?

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If you give a cannibal a watch, he doesn't look at it and say,

If you give a cannibal a watch, he doesn't look at it and say

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The gears are not precise, they are one 10,000th of an inch off, he can't say that.

"The gears are not precise; theyre 10,000th of an inch off". He can't say that.

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That's what I mean by a person can't exceed their environment.

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If you got in an airplane if you're able to, you know, 2000 years from now,

If you got in an airplane, if you're able to 2000 years from now,

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a guy might look at our plane and say, I'll never get into that crate.

a guy might look at our plane and say "I'll never get into that crate".

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Our airplanes would come through as a crate, or something else.

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But certainly, if you are born 2000 years from now, you couldn't have the same values and survive.

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The nation that can't exceed it's own environment will be surpassed.

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Do you know what that means? Another country will surpass us.

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If China can't get past where they are at,

If China can't get past where they're at,

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if they stop and just take in manufacturing and don't go into automation and modification, they will remain.

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There are many nations out there that are so primitive

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they do things the way they did a thousand years ago, and that's up the Amazon river.

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The natives build rafts the same way they did a thousand years ago, no change.

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They bind a bundle of reeds together, tie it all together,

They bind a bundle of reed together, tie it all together,

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cause that's all they ever see, they never leave the area.

because that's all they ever see; they never leave the area.

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So if you say they are stupid; no they're not, they live in a fixed environment,

If you say "They're stupid", no they're not; they live in a fixed environment,

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where things are fairly uniform and not enough change.

where things are fairly uniform, and there's not enough change.

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They don't have visitors from other tribes that bring them other things,

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otherwise they might be brought up to hate other tribes or they might be brought up to trade.

otherwise they might be brought up to hate other tribes, or they might be brought up to trade.

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The nations that trade undergo change,

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because they meet people that are different, and they get things that are different.

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Not all nations developed a vase. If a nation developed a vase and you're nation didn't,

Not all nations developed a vase. If a nation developed a vase, and your nation didn't,

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and they show you how they carry water or orange juice around,

and they show you how they carry water or orange juice around in it.

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you don't have any means of doing it except this way, so you undergo change.

You don't have any means of doing it except this way, so you undergo change.

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The more nations that meet and share ideas, not just meet, if they share ideas they undergo modification.

The more nations that meet and share ideas, not just meet; if they share ideas, they undergo modification.

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But if my people undergo too much modification,

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I can't control them, so I put a fence around my country and keep out foreign ideologies.

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Or if books that come into my country that change people,

Or if books come into my country that change people

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so I can't control them, I forbid pornography or whatever it is I forbid.

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Am I right, am I wrong? All nations wish to survive. They can't if people read different kinds of books,

Am I right? Am I wrong? All nations wish to survive. They can't if people read different kinds of books,

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different kinds of characters, different kinds of social systems,

different kinds of characters, different kinds of social systems.

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you can't control your people that way.

You can't control your people that way.

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So if you say I believe in democracy; nobody believes in democracy.

You say "I believe in democracy"; nobody believes in democracy.

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They believe in what they've been conditioned to believe in.

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They can't believe in democracy otherwise they go hear communism, socialism, free love and all,

They can't believe in democracy, otherwise they'd go hear communism, socialism, free love and all that.

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they'd say, I don't know enough about them to make up my mind which is right, they would speak like that.

They'd say "I don't know enough about them to make up my mind which is right". They'd speak like that;

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"I don't know enough about it." Do you understand what I'm saying?

"I don't know enough about them". Do you understand what I'm saying?

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I'm upsetting the apple cart, so that there are no values except the values that preserve nature, man,

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and his relationship to his fellow man and nature.

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This is the only laws I know of, if you don't take care of the forest, we let them burn and die, we will suffer.

These are the only laws I know of; if we don't take care of the forests, we let them burn and die, we will suffer.

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If we pollute the oceans, we will suffer, those are things I accept. I don't know any other system.

If we pollute the oceans, we will suffer; those are the things I accept. I don't know any other system.

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Will they do that in the future? I think they'll control things in the future, weather, hurricanes, earthquakes, everything.

Will they do that in the future? I think they'll control things in the future: weather, hurricanes, earthquakes, everything.

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Man will learn to control things, in his behalf, not

Man will learn to control things, in his behalf. Not that

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the other organisms that he keeps alive would be supportive to that culture, do you understand that?

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That's why it'd be very difficult to deal with people who came from another planet,

That's why it would be very difficult to deal with people that came from another planet

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with a different gavitational field, different lighting systems,

with a different gravitational field, different lighting systems.

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if they develop, they don't have to look like us,

If they develop, they don't have to look like us.

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whatever they develop they'd be reflecting their culture.

Whatever they develop, they'd be reflecting their culture.

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So a guy says, I'd like to share ideas with you,

A guy says "I'd like to share ideas with you".

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well only if they lived here and they had all kinds of methods of evaluation.

Well only if they lived here, and they had all kinds of methods of evaluation.

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But they wouldn't want to associate with us because we're too limited, if they've been around longer.

But they wouldn't want to associate with us, because we're too limited, if they've been around longer.

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So, I can't say that Fresco tells the truth, I can only say that Fresco's world is based upon survey,

So, I can't say that Fresco tells the truth. I can only say that Fresco's world is based upon survey,

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related to man and his relationship to the environment.

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That's what I mean by mechanistic. I once asked a writer of a scientific book,

That's what I mean by mechanistic. I once asked a writer of a scientific book

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you think man is a machine? He says that's the old mechanistic point of view that man is a machine.

"Do you think man is a machine? He said "That's the old mechanistic point of view, that man is a machine".

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He didn't say what do you mean by machine? There were no semantics at the time,

He didn't say "What do you mean by machine?" There were no semantics at the time

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you know what I mean; to know what a man is talking about.

to know what a man is talking about.

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By machine I mean that the eyes can not move to that position

By machine I mean that the eyes cannot move to that position

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unless there's a muscle that pulls it there,

unless there's a muscle that pulls it there;

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unless there's a mechanism in the brain, or a bright light cause the eye to look at it.

unless there's a mechanism in the brain, or a bright light causes the eye to look at it.

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So I want to make little dolls, with little magnets in their heads, you don't see,

So I want to make little dolls, with little magnets in their heads you don't see.

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if I hold a magnet there, the eyes will focus on it, if I move it, but not really.

If I hold a magnet there, the eyes will focus on it if I move it, but not really.

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Normal people would think gee the machine is looking at

Normal people would think "Gee, the machine is looking at

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where ever you hold that. I can simulate that.

wherever you hold that". I can simulate that.

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You can make a machine to have facial expressions in sympathy.

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If you say, "I bought a new car and I lost it,

If you say "I bought a new car and I lost it.

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i forgot to put the brakes on, it went over a", the machines eyebrows change,

I forgot to put the brakes on, it went over.". The machine's eyebrows change,

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and says, "My god, I'm sorry to hear that", but it won't feel anything. It'll react as though it felt something.

and it says "My god, I'm sorry to hear that". But it won't feel anything; it'll react as though it felt something.

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A machine can't feel bad or good about you, it can only react to the way it's circuits are built.

A machine can't feel bad or good about you, it can only react to the way its circuits are built.

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Do you understand that?

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That's why a machine will never say I'm going to take over, cause it doesn't have ambition.

That's why a machine will never say "I'm going to take over", because it doesn't have ambition.

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It doesn't say your wife is prettier than mine,

It doesn't say "Your wife is prettier than mine"

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or, that machine looks nicer than the other machine; it has no such reaction, nor can it be given that.

or "That machine looks nicer than the other machine". It has no such reaction, nor can it be given that.

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No matter how you circuit a machine it can say that,

No matter how you circuit a machine, it can say that

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that machine is rusting, and it's going to disintegrate,

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and it can even cry, but it won't feel anything.

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It's like a movie of an actor doing, and you know that he didn't lose his wife,

It's like a movie that an actor's doing, and you know that he didn't lose his wife,

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and he didn't get shot, although he got shot in the movie, the movie can't feel,

and he didn't get shot. Although he got shot in the movie, the movie can't feel.

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it can simulate feeling and that's why a person says,

It can simulate feeling, and that's why a person says

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"He is a good actor", meaning he can get you to cry, or she can get you to cry.

"He's a good actor", meaning he can get you to cry, or she can get you to cry

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If they are good actors, and sometimes people use that in marrying a rich man.

if they are good actors. And sometimes people use that in marrying a rich man.

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A girl might say, "You're so wonderful, I love you",

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and the rich man feels flattered and he marries her, then she spends a lot of money on a lot of things.

and the rich man feels flattered and he marries her. Then she spends a lot of money on a lot of things.

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That's simulating love. Do you know what I mean?

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A prostitute that says you are a lousy lay after the day is over; you won't come back.

A prostitute that says you are a lousy lay after the day is over, you won't come back;

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She says, "I really enjoyed that sexual", you know.

she says "I really enjoyed that sexually".

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After all there are people that simulate good and bad, right and wrong.

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Knowing the difference is difficult, if they're good at it.

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A salesman who sells you something, simulates being your friend,

A salesman who sells you something simulates being your friend.

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"Let me advise you that the Ford car is better built than any car today,

"Let me advise you that the Ford car is better built than any car today.

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believe me, I'm doing you a favor".

Believe me, I'm doing you a favor".

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Is he a car salesman, or a fireman. You know, what is he?

Is he a car salesman or a fireman? You know, what is he?

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If he's a salesman and a church goer, that believes in God,

If he's a salesman and a church goer and believes in God,

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he'll say, "I say a Chevy is best if you live in rough terrain,

he'll say "I say a Chevy is best if you live in rough terrain",

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or a jeep would be better than a Chevy", you know what I mean?

or "A jeep would be better than a Chevy", you know what I mean?

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That's an honest guy. He says that's what I know about cars,

That's an honest guy. He says "That's what I know about cars".

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but a person can't work for General Motors and say, get yourself an Italian car.

But a person can't work for General Motors and say "Get yourself an Italian car".

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I bought a Totra, which was a Czechoslovakian car, you know the Totra?

I bought a Tatra, which was a Czechoslovakian car, you know the Tatra?

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I bought it and a mechanic said, "I'm not going to work on your car,

I bought it, and a mechanic said "I'm not going to work on your car,

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it's from a communist country". He said that to me.

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I said, Is there a communist shit? Or a Greek shit? Or a Greek pain? Or a communist pain?

I said "Is there a Communist shit or a Greek shit?, or a Greek pain or a Communist pain?"

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There is no such thing as communist science or Czechoslovakian science,

There's no such thing as Communist science or Czechoslovakian science;

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there's only science and they call people scientists that are not generalists, that are in one field.

there's only science. And they call people 'scientists' that are not generalists, that are in one field.

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He's an optical scientist. He knows how to grind lenses, but he is not a scientist.

"He's an optical scientist." He knows how to grind lenses, but he's not a scientist.

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To me a scientist is one who's interested in everything, has loyalty to methodology.

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That means, if a Greek comes up with a cure for cancer you honor him.

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If a Japanese guy comes up with a cure for cancer, you honor him.

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You honor any human being worthy of honor, but you don't honor only your own kind.

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"He was an American, that's what I like about him."

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Patriotism pulls a shield up in front of us so we can't see things as they are.

Patriotism pulls a shield up in front of us, so we can't see things as they are.

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We can't even hear the differences of nations. We get mad at them

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if they don't uphold American values, or our concepts of freedom and democracy.

if they don't uphold American values or our concepts of freedom and democracy.

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We get mad at people and that's what they want you to do.

We get mad at people, and that's what they want you to do.

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They want you to have loyalty to what they teach.

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But if you have loyalty to methodology,

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you get rid of a fountain pen, if it leaks and you buy a ballpoint pen,

you get rid of a fountain pen if it leaks, and you buy a ballpoint pen,

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because no matter where it was invented if it works better than the other pen, you use it.

because no matter where it was invented, if it works better than the other pen, you use it.

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If Filipinos come up with a new type of eye glass, that gives you better vision, you use it.

If Filipinos come up with a new type of eye glass that gives you better vision, you use it.

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You honor them, because you don't; I hope a Greek did it, because I'm Greek.

You honor them, because you don't go "Gee, I hope a Greek did it, because I'm Greek".

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You blind yourself. You understand? I don't like traditional Jews, or traditional Catholics,

You blind yourself. Do you understand? "I don't like traditional Jews or traditional Catholics

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or traditional Americans, you understand? Or any traditional group.

or traditional Americans" or any traditional group.

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But not because they're Filipinos, because of their values, and the values they pick up.

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So if you discriminate, "I don't wanna live next door to a clansman,

So if you discriminate, "I don't want to live next door to a Klansman,

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because he's; 'let's go out and beat up a Jew or a nigger or a Filipino,

because he's 'Let's go out and beat up a Jew or a nigger or a Filipino,

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or any damn foreigner'". I don't find that fulfilling, I find that to be a limited viewpoint.

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Racial prejudice is like patriotism toward a certain race.

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"I'm a Greek and I'm proud of it", once you do that, you damage a person.

"I'm a Greek and I'm proud of it"; once you do that, you damage a person.

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I'm a Greek, and I like certain Greeks, and certain Filipinos, and certain blacks, and certain Italians.

Say "I'm a Greek, and I like certain Greeks and certain Filipinos and certain blacks and certain Italians".

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If you meet Italian gangsters you say Italians are gangsters that's when you are projecting

If you meet Italian gangsters, you say "Italians are gangsters". That's when you are projecting

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one set of values into all Italians.

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Anyway, that ought to give you some perspective of the world you live in.

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- There's not enough feeling and emotion in what Jacque says. That's true, there isn't.

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But if you're emotionally attached to something, it means you're subjective.

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There are people that nail a piece of wood together, then they kiss it, before that they don't kiss it,

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until you nail it so it looks like a cross, then you kiss it. You know what I mean?

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So, what was the day before it was a cross?

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Two pieces of wood, or some copper that wasn't cast in a form of a cross.

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And a cross is a crucifix which was long before people wore it, it was to crucify people,

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so it is symbolic, depending on what culture you come from.

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That's why I can't accept anything except the sciences;

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the shape of an airplane wing is designed for certain lift.

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The shape of the plane is designed for certain conditions.

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So, you can't; when I say you can't exceed your environment,

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that means you can't exceed what you've been exposed to.

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and you said the objective lenses are insufficient, if you're a cannibal, you know what I mean?

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That's what I mean by a person can't exceed their environment.

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Our airplanes would come through as a crate, or something else.

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But certainly, if you are born 2000 years from now, you couldn't have the same values and survive.

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The nation that can't exceed it's own environment will be surpassed.

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Do you know what that means? Another country will surpass us.

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Not all nations developed a vase. If a nation developed a vase and you're nation didn't,

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you don't have any means of doing it except this way, so you undergo change.

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The more nations that meet and share ideas, not just meet, if they share ideas they undergo modification.

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But if my people undergo too much modification,

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I can't control them, so I put a fence around my country and keep out foreign ideologies.

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so I can't control them, I forbid pornography or whatever it is I forbid.

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Am I right, am I wrong? All nations wish to survive. They can't if people read different kinds of books,

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different kinds of characters, different kinds of social systems,

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They can't believe in democracy otherwise they go hear communism, socialism, free love and all,

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they'd say, I don't know enough about them to make up my mind which is right, they would speak like that.

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"I don't know enough about it." Do you understand what I'm saying?

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I'm upsetting the apple cart, so that there are no values except the values that preserve nature, man,

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and his relationship to his fellow man and nature.

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This is the only laws I know of, if you don't take care of the forest, we let them burn and die, we will suffer.

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If we pollute the oceans, we will suffer, those are things I accept. I don't know any other system.

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Will they do that in the future? I think they'll control things in the future, weather, hurricanes, earthquakes, everything.

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Man will learn to control things, in his behalf, not

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the other organisms that he keeps alive would be supportive to that culture, do you understand that?

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That's why it'd be very difficult to deal with people who came from another planet,

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well only if they lived here and they had all kinds of methods of evaluation.

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So, I can't say that Fresco tells the truth, I can only say that Fresco's world is based upon survey,

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That's what I mean by mechanistic. I once asked a writer of a scientific book,

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He didn't say what do you mean by machine? There were no semantics at the time,

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you know what I mean; to know what a man is talking about.

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if I hold a magnet there, the eyes will focus on it, if I move it, but not really.

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where ever you hold that. I can simulate that.

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and says, "My god, I'm sorry to hear that", but it won't feel anything. It'll react as though it felt something.

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A machine can't feel bad or good about you, it can only react to the way it's circuits are built.

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or, that machine looks nicer than the other machine; it has no such reaction, nor can it be given that.

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If they are good actors, and sometimes people use that in marrying a rich man.

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That's simulating love. Do you know what I mean?

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A prostitute that says you are a lousy lay after the day is over; you won't come back.

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She says, "I really enjoyed that sexual", you know.

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believe me, I'm doing you a favor".

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Is he a car salesman, or a fireman. You know, what is he?

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or a jeep would be better than a Chevy", you know what I mean?

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but a person can't work for General Motors and say, get yourself an Italian car.

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it's from a communist country". He said that to me.

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I said, Is there a communist shit? Or a Greek shit? Or a Greek pain? Or a communist pain?

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there's only science and they call people scientists that are not generalists, that are in one field.

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He's an optical scientist. He knows how to grind lenses, but he is not a scientist.

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To me a scientist is one who's interested in everything, has loyalty to methodology.

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That means, if a Greek comes up with a cure for cancer you honor him.

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You honor any human being worthy of honor, but you don't honor only your own kind.

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"He was an American, that's what I like about him."

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Patriotism pulls a shield up in front of us so we can't see things as they are.

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if they don't uphold American values, or our concepts of freedom and democracy.

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They want you to have loyalty to what they teach.

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you get rid of a fountain pen, if it leaks and you buy a ballpoint pen,

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because no matter where it was invented if it works better than the other pen, you use it.

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If Filipinos come up with a new type of eye glass, that gives you better vision, you use it.

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You honor them, because you don't; I hope a Greek did it, because I'm Greek.

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You blind yourself. You understand? I don't like traditional Jews, or traditional Catholics,

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or traditional Americans, you understand? Or any traditional group.

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or any damn foreigner'". I don't find that fulfilling, I find that to be a limited viewpoint.

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"I'm a Greek and I'm proud of it", once you do that, you damage a person.

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I'm a Greek, and I like certain Greeks, and certain Filipinos, and certain blacks, and certain Italians.

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Anyway, that ought to give you some perspective of the world you live in.

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- There's not enough feeling and emotion in what Jacque says or something.  That's true, there isn't.

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If you're emotionally attached to something, it means you're subjective.

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There are people that nail pieces of wood together, then they kiss them. Before that, they don't kiss them,

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until you nail them so they look like a cross, then you kiss them. You know what I mean?

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What was it the day before it was a cross?

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That's why I can't accept anything except the sciences.

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the shape of the plane is designed for certain conditions.

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When I say you can't exceed your environment,

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say the objective lenses are insufficient, if you're a cannibal. Do you know what I mean?

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That's what I mean by a person can't exceed their environment.

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Our airplanes would come through as a crate, or something else.

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But certainly, if you are born 2000 years from now, you couldn't have the same values and survive.

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The nation that can't exceed it's own environment will be surpassed.

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Do you know what that means? Another country will surpass us.

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If China can't get past where they're at,

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You don't have any means of doing it except this way, so you undergo change.

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so I can't control them, I forbid pornography or whatever it is I forbid.

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"I don't know enough about them". Do you understand what I'm saying?

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and his relationship to his fellow man and nature.

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These are the only laws I know of; if we don't take care of the forests, we let them burn and die, we will suffer.

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If we pollute the oceans, we will suffer; those are the things I accept. I don't know any other system.

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Will they do that in the future? I think they'll control things in the future: weather, hurricanes, earthquakes, everything.

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the other organisms that he keeps alive would be supportive to that culture, do you understand that?

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unless there's a muscle that pulls it there;

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unless there's a mechanism in the brain, or a bright light causes the eye to look at it.

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So I want to make little dolls, with little magnets in their heads you don't see.

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If I hold a magnet there, the eyes will focus on it if I move it, but not really.

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Normal people would think "Gee, the machine is looking at

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wherever you hold that". I can simulate that.

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You can make a machine to have facial expressions in sympathy.

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If you say "I bought a new car and I lost it.

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I forgot to put the brakes on, it went over.". The machine's eyebrows change,

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and it says "My god, I'm sorry to hear that". But it won't feel anything; it'll react as though it felt something.

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A machine can't feel bad or good about you, it can only react to the way its circuits are built.

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Do you understand that?

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That's why a machine will never say "I'm going to take over", because it doesn't have ambition.

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It doesn't say "Your wife is prettier than mine"

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or "That machine looks nicer than the other machine". It has no such reaction, nor can it be given that.

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No matter how you circuit a machine, it can say that

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that machine is rusting, and it's going to disintegrate, 

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and it can even cry, but it won't feel anything.

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It's like a movie that an actor's doing, and you know that he didn't lose his wife,

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and he didn't get shot. Although he got shot in the movie, the movie can't feel.

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It can simulate feeling, and that's why a person says

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"He's a good actor", meaning he can get you to cry, or she can get you to cry

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if they are good actors. And sometimes people use that in marrying a rich man.

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A girl might say, "You're so wonderful, I love you",

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and the rich man feels flattered and he marries her. Then she spends a lot of money on a lot of things.

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That's simulating love. Do you know what I mean?

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A prostitute that says you are a lousy lay after the day is over, you won't come back;

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she says "I really enjoyed that sexually".

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After all there are people that simulate good and bad, right and wrong.

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Knowing the difference is difficult, if they're good at it.

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A salesman who sells you something simulates being your friend.

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"Let me advise you that the Ford car is better built than any car today.

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Believe me, I'm doing you a favor".

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Is he a car salesman or a fireman? You know, what is he?

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If he's a salesman and a church goer and believes in God,

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he'll say "I say a Chevy is best if you live in rough terrain",

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or "A jeep would be better than a Chevy", you know what I mean?

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That's an honest guy. He says "That's what I know about cars".

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But a person can't work for General Motors and say "Get yourself an Italian car".

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I bought a Tatra, which was a Czechoslovakian car, you know the Tatra?

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I bought it, and a mechanic said "I'm not going to work on your car,

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it's from a communist country". He said that to me.

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I said "Is there a Communist shit or a Greek shit?, or a Greek pain or a Communist pain?"

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There's no such thing as Communist science or Czechoslovakian science;

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there's only science. And they call people 'scientists' that are not generalists, that are in one field.

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"He's an optical scientist." He knows how to grind lenses, but he's not a scientist.

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To me a scientist is one who's interested in everything, has loyalty to methodology.

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That means, if a Greek comes up with a cure for cancer you honor him.

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If a Japanese guy comes up with a cure for cancer, you honor him.

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You honor any human being worthy of honor, but you don't honor only your own kind.

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"He was an American, that's what I like about him."

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Patriotism pulls a shield up in front of us, so we can't see things as they are.

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We can't even hear the differences of nations. We get mad at them

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if they don't uphold American values or our concepts of freedom and democracy.

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We get mad at people, and that's what they want you to do.

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They want you to have loyalty to what they teach.

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But if you have loyalty to methodology,

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you get rid of a fountain pen if it leaks, and you buy a ballpoint pen,

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because no matter where it was invented, if it works better than the other pen, you use it.

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If Filipinos come up with a new type of eye glass that gives you better vision, you use it.

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You honor them, because you don't go "Gee, I hope a Greek did it, because I'm Greek".

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You blind yourself. Do you understand? "I don't like traditional Jews or traditional Catholics

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or traditional Americans" or any traditional group.

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But not because they're Filipinos, because of their values, and the values they pick up.

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So if you discriminate, "I don't want to live next door to a Klansman,

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because he's 'Let's go out and beat up a Jew or a nigger or a Filipino,

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or any damn foreigner'". I don't find that fulfilling, I find that to be a limited viewpoint.

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Racial prejudice is like patriotism toward a certain race.

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"I'm a Greek and I'm proud of it"; once you do that, you damage a person.

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Say "I'm a Greek, and I like certain Greeks and certain Filipinos and certain blacks and certain Italians".

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If you meet Italian gangsters, you say "Italians are gangsters". That's when you are projecting

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one set of values into all Italians.

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Anyway, that ought to give you some perspective of the world you live in.